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    Raw Deal MontyLeah Finnegan and Max Read
    10/30/14 4:39pm

    don't sell yourself short, smugness goes a long way these days. and it's a lot more fun.

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      Max ReadRaw Deal Monty
      10/30/14 4:42pm

      Thank you, I agree.

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      OMG!PONIES!Max Read
      10/30/14 4:49pm

      Smugness will soon replace Bitcoin as the cryptocurrency everyone's talking about.

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    Maura JohnstonLeah Finnegan and Max Read
    10/30/14 4:51pm

    i think a music blog could do wonders for gawker media's survival

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      Maura JohnstonMaura Johnston
      10/30/14 4:51pm

      heh heh

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      PlagueMaura Johnston
      10/30/14 4:53pm

      But Beyonce already has a website

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    heartbraiderLeah Finnegan and Max Read
    10/30/14 4:39pm

    The toast does a great job bootstrapping by hitting up their twitter followers for donations (but only the men because lol). But you guys should totally take them seriously as a venture, totally, because the type of guys who can be male-guilted into donating to the website are the guys who have lots of money to spare.

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      samanticsheartbraider
      10/30/14 4:58pm

      I think the Toast is doing a fine job. Very funny.

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      heartbraidersamantics
      10/30/14 5:19pm

      I think the Toast is funny but acting like you're some captain of the media industry when you regularly hit your twitter followers up for donations as a monetization strategy feels a bit—idk, delusional?

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    TxVoodooLeah Finnegan and Max Read
    10/30/14 8:06pm

    Vox is dead and doesn't know it yet.

    Buzzfeed has some actual honest-to-god good longform shit on it. And Chris Geidner and his ace legal analysis. It's like a a plot from an 80s teen flick where the smart girl hides her brains behind her looks to get dates.

    Medium confuses me. I think it's part artisanal journalism (I do NOT mean that seriously), aka hippie crunchy. It's part SiliconValley broism, with smart women commentary. It's like where the popular kids on Livejournal went after they graduated college.

    Huffpo will sink under the weight of the number of widgets and videos on every page.

    Mic. LOL.

    ViralNova (and its bastard siblings): I'm boycotting sites that require me to view a "slideshow" of 20 pics to get to the answer to the clickbait. Even if I DO use adblock like a mofo.

    The Intercept (and its baby bros): dead. And they'll blame Obama and the NSA.

    Gawker: as long as they don't fuck up commenting TOO much (and get rid of the stupid Kinja logo up top - are you Gawker or are you Kinja?? Make up your bloody mind) it has legs. Also, pick some people from your commentors to moderate comments, y'all.

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      natlyonTxVoodoo
      10/31/14 8:43am

      Gawker will win, because the more your read Huffpo you start to think that they're buying (or stealing) all of their content from Gawker.

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      Jennifer C. MartinTxVoodoo
      10/31/14 9:50am

      going through slideshows at Answer.com made me realize I don't care about any lists of anything ever.

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    Dayna EvansLeah Finnegan and Max Read
    10/30/14 4:51pm

    Send us out to sea.

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      Leah FinneganDayna Evans
      10/30/14 4:52pm

      no dayna

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      Dayna EvansLeah Finnegan
      10/30/14 4:54pm

      I volunteer.

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    AdamJohnsonNYCLeah Finnegan and Max Read
    10/30/14 5:44pm

    My problem with Vox, and I guess Ezra Klein in general, is that they routinely confuse being the curator of conventional wisdom with "providing facts". It's the worst part of the "data-driven" mythology of new media that invariably ends up churning out middle brow contrarian fluff or Matt Yglesias sucking off Amazon, neither of which really get us anywhere.

    Unless, of course, Q and A's with GE's CEO and Cass Sunstein calling anyone who doesn't buy into neoliberal orthodoxy a "conspiracy theorist" is your idea of afflicting the comfortable.

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      DJ MOSFETAdamJohnsonNYC
      10/30/14 9:00pm

      The irony, of course, is that Ezra's dad is a well-respected mathematician with a penchant for exactness and clarity in his work. Looks like the apple fell from the tree and rolled down a hill into a muddy ditch.

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      CaiusGracchusAdamJohnsonNYC
      11/06/14 5:33am

      Cass Sunstein knows what he's doing, he's written papers on infiltrating and discrediting conspiracy theory groups.

      Don't get me wrong, there are some batshit conspiracy theories out there, but this sort of across-the-board, kneejerk anti-conspiracy worldview that people cling to in the hopes of being perceived as unfailingly rational is very much being pushed by Sunstein and his ilk as a means to stifle debate and define the (very narrow) spectrum of "polite" discussion.

      It's very interesting, as a non-American, just how much of a difference I find. If you mention a conspiracy theory to a Canadian or a European, in my experience, they will likely have already heard it and buy at least some aspect of it, whereas an American will respond to the same conspiracy theory with violent anger. They've really done a hell of a job of erecting taboos around certain topics, and I don't know if you guys are aware that it is largely a specifically American thing, in my experience, to dismiss any notion of a conspiracy out of hand.

      People are prone to conspiring. Especially in oligarchies.

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    Commenter7777777Leah Finnegan and Max Read
    10/30/14 5:12pm

    I really liked the old FiveThirtyEight on the NYTimes site, although I guess I only read it during election season. But 95% on the articles on the new FiveThirtyEight are boring as shit. And I'm someone that enjoys math...but they just really fail at making anything interesting.

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      PerennialParkerCommenter7777777
      10/30/14 6:07pm

      I followed Nate Silver leading up to the last two presidential elections and watched the election results in a standing-room-only restaurant bar. After seeing how dead on Silver's predictions were the first time around, I assured the other bar patrons the second time that Obama was going to win and clued them into 538's site (early returns in red states showed Romney ahead). They were amazed too at how accurate was.

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      Kawaii5_0Commenter7777777
      10/30/14 7:36pm

      The original 538 website had the best comment section. I learned more from the readers than from the article. Gawker has good commenters but I miss the depth of knowledge exhibted by those at 538. The new site is ... homogenized and ultrapasrurized.

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    Paul FordLeah Finnegan and Max Read
    10/30/14 5:36pm

    k

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      Leah FinneganPaul Ford
      10/30/14 5:38pm

      did u get a google alert for this article paul

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      Paul FordLeah Finnegan
      10/30/14 5:55pm

      slack notified me

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    JohnSLeah Finnegan and Max Read
    10/30/14 4:43pm

    its huffpost, not huffpo

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      OnlyHappyWhenItDoesntRainJohnS
      10/30/14 4:46pm

      Pretty sure its huffpo, not huffpost.

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      Leah FinneganJohnS
      10/30/14 4:49pm

      spoken like a true company man

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    Nitasha TikuLeah Finnegan and Max Read
    10/30/14 6:17pm

    I always thought it was "The Media Winter of 2008." Do I need a history lesson?

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      Leah FinneganNitasha Tiku
      10/30/14 10:12pm

      like the winter of 07-08? or o8-09? i remember the winter of 08-09 being awful and then all of 09 being awful, hence why i went to journalism school. #chillsitch

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