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    ThisMachineKillsNeoliberalsGabrielle Bluestone
    4/29/14 8:52pm

    The death penalty debate is one of those things that distracts more than it clarifies. Either be against it and the prison system as a whole, or support public executions. So tired of people who want to go halfway on the inherent violence of statecraft.

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      icewaterThisMachineKillsNeoliberals
      4/29/14 8:58pm

      Have you ever read Foucault's Discipline and Punish?

      I'm against the Death Penalty, and I'd agree that a execution in a jail cell is only superficially more humane than a public hanging.

      But I do not think public executions are the "logical extension" of the current Death Penalty (nor of the prison system as a whole, not by a mile). They grow from distinct sentiments as to what punishment is or who it's for.

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      mymiddlenameisduaneThisMachineKillsNeoliberals
      4/29/14 9:00pm

      are you saying that if you support imprisoning criminals you must inherently support murdering them? That seems... incorrect to me.

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    JohnMcClanesSmirkGabrielle Bluestone
    4/29/14 8:55pm

    If you ever find yourself in the position of trying desperately to resuscitate a man, just 10 minutes before, you tried murdering, pause and reexamine your ethical logic.

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      acmeindustriesJohnMcClanesSmirk
      4/29/14 8:58pm

      Especially since, had they successfully resuscitated him, they would have wheeled him right back into the execution chamber to try again.

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      HypnoCatJohnMcClanesSmirk
      4/29/14 8:58pm

      I know. I am still trying to wrap my head around the Gordian knot in this one.

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    TwoMoreCutsGabrielle Bluestone
    4/29/14 8:53pm

    I'm noticing a bit of irony in this story.

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      GregSamsaTwoMoreCuts
      4/29/14 8:55pm

      'Botched' doesn't mean what I thought it meant, apparently.

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      TwoMoreCutsGregSamsa
      4/29/14 8:58pm

      We must kill this man!

      Oh NO!!! They way we have gone about this is all wrong!

      We must resuscitate him!!!! Save him while we still can!

      Eh, he's dead now.

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    Thomas GilchristGabrielle Bluestone
    4/29/14 9:06pm

    "Lockett, who was convicted of kidnapping, beating, raping, shooting, and burying alive a 19-year-old woman, was scheduled to go first and received the injection at 6:23 pm. Warner, convicted of raping and killing an 11-month-old baby, was to follow at 8 pm."

    I'm torn between a sense of anger at the government hiding information about the nature of the executions it performs and then subsequently performing them in a horrendously iincompetent manner ......and a very strong case of fuck those pieces of shit.

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      ThisGuyThomas Gilchrist
      4/29/14 9:20pm

      Me too, I'm 100% against the death penalty...until I read shit like what these guys did

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      Raul Miller MillerThomas Gilchrist
      4/29/14 10:03pm

      What an irony, Kill him, oh's not quite dead let's rush to hospital to revivve and then we'll kill him??WTF

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    DangerBadgerGabrielle Bluestone
    4/29/14 9:19pm

    So let me get this straight:

    Pro-life evangelicals who believe only God can truly judge and punish others decide that the way to punish a savage murderer is to do that which they say only God can do and in fact also take that person's life. I don't see how their obsession with killing people (including occasionally willingly, knowingly executing wrongly convicted people) makes them any better than the asshole they executed. You can't be "pro-life" and salivate at the thought of executing people at the same time.

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      BabyPowderSlapDangerBadger
      4/29/14 9:51pm

      There is a slight difference between innocent babies and criminals. I am pro-abortion and pro-death penalty, but the argument doesn't lose merit unless you apply crazy logic Christian logic.

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      DangerBadgerBabyPowderSlap
      4/29/14 9:53pm

      Being pro-death penalty is fucking stupid. Why? Because sometimes they convict the wrong guy. Blood-thirsty vengeance does not = justice.

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    PeteRRGabrielle Bluestone
    4/29/14 8:54pm

    He was supposed to die and he died. He died badly because of the misguided idea that pumping the convict full of drugs is more humane than putting a bullet in him or hanging him.

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      HypnoCatPeteRR
      4/29/14 8:58pm

      Hanging is pretty goddamned awful.

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      The Other TheronPeteRR
      4/29/14 9:25pm

      It is about revenge, and it is barbaric.

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    ramblinwreckedGabrielle Bluestone
    4/29/14 9:05pm

    Congratulations Oklahoma! It is a hell of an accomplishment to push forward with executions despite the obvious Eighth Amendment cautionary concerns, to lack any respect for the separation of powers (i.e. the Oklahoma legislator that moved for impeachment of Oklahoma State Supreme Court judges after they originally stayed their executions), and to then essentially torture a man to death (who you later then tried to save).

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      PistolBralinramblinwrecked
      4/29/14 10:16pm

      Not only that, we in Oklahoma now have daily earthquakes, thanks to the energy companies' wastewater injection practices. Seriously, fuck this fucking shit state.

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      SmartAsinineramblinwrecked
      4/29/14 11:01pm

      I see your 8th amendment cautionary concerns, and raise you a dead 11 Month old baby and a murdered and raped 19 year old.

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    Bwleon7Gabrielle Bluestone
    4/29/14 9:07pm

    "Lockett, who was convicted of kidnapping, beating, raping, shooting, and burying alive a 19-year-old woman, was scheduled to go first and received the injection at 6:23 pm. Warner, convicted of raping and killing an 11-month-old baby"

    Why the hell did they use a nice way of killing them in the first place?These two should have been skinned and dipped in lemon juice then thrown in a room with starving rats. They should die screaming.

    I'm normally a bleeding heart liberal but you got to put some people down hard just so that others don't ever even want to think about maybe doing what they did.

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      UngratefulDeadBwleon7
      4/29/14 9:31pm

      The problem is that it doesn't do that at all. Criminologists are in near-universal agreement that the death penalty has no added value as a deterrent over life in prison. I find the "they deserve to suffer" crowd as disgusting as the next guy but at least they are honest about the justification for capital punishment.

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      Crowbar is the designerUngratefulDead
      4/29/14 9:39pm

      Exactly. The death penalty is mostly used as a threat so that criminals will plead guilty in exchange for a life sentence — not as a deterrent against committing crimes in the first place.

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    LtCmndHipsterGabrielle Bluestone
    4/29/14 9:11pm

    That's shitty analogy by the court. What if one brand of ammunition didn't pierce your heart, but rather shattered your sternum, and you followed to bleed our and die in agony over an hour. Or if one type of rope snapped when you landed, crushing your trachea but leaving you writhing on the ground in pain for an hour before you died? Its just willful ignorance about medical procedures on their part.

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      MDSJLtCmndHipster
      4/29/14 9:37pm

      It's a shitty pretense, the actual logic appears to be self-preservation:

      "After the governor challenged the State Supreme Court's ruling for a delay and the legislature started to discuss impeaching the justices, the Oklahoma Supreme Court denied the request"

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      Sudoku7LtCmndHipster
      4/29/14 9:59pm

      The underlying issue is that some states have taken to illegally obtaining their drug cocktails as many of the companies that produce them cannot sell them to entities seeking to use them as a means of capital punishment. The other aspect is also to increase pressure on the production side of these drugs.

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    pootmatootreturnsGabrielle Bluestone
    4/29/14 8:53pm

    If you want to kill people - because your morality is such you think that's fine - then why all this complex chemical bullshit? We have very simple and cheap methods of doing this that aren't freakish and barbaric - just stick them in a chamber and whip out the oxygen, hypoxia is a painless and swift euphoric way to die.

    Unless torture is part of your plan, eh?

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      Ms Patsy Stonepootmatootreturns
      4/29/14 10:24pm

      That man wasn't tortured. You want to know what's torture? How about kidnapping, beating, raping, shooting, and burying alive a person? Most people would consider that torture. But that was actually this POS's idea of fun. I don't care about the other POS whose idea of fun was raping and killing an 11 month old baby

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      Uncle ChigurhMs Patsy Stone
      4/30/14 2:28am

      Thanks for the false dichotomy, asshole.

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