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    BrianDKate Dries
    4/04/14 2:04pm

    Technically, couldn't the students then say that passing the candy around with the wrapper on kept the candy from getting dirty. So, by their own standards,

    HAVE AS MUCH SEX AS YOU WANT KIDS AS LONG AS YOU WRAP DAT SHIT

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      Ginger Is A ConstructBrianD
      4/04/14 2:12pm

      You get an A! Now go teach health classes in Bible Belt states, please!

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    DonttweetfrommeKate Dries
    4/04/14 2:03pm

    Isn't this the approach that Elizabeth Smart told us all about? The one that made her feel dirty and spoiled for being a kidnapped and raped child? She made it clear that this type of "education" made her trauma even worse .

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      Kate DriesDonttweetfromme
      4/04/14 2:06pm

      Yup - you remember that right.

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      surlyqbearDonttweetfromme
      4/04/14 2:14pm

      Wow. I didn't know this about Elizabeth Smart. That certainly sheds interesting light on why she acted that way. That's fucked up.

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    bokjoyKate Dries
    4/04/14 2:18pm

    True story: at my friend's Catholic high school's "sex ed" class, they gave everyone a cookie, but said, "don't eat the cookie until we give you permission." Of course, the impatient, bad kids went ahead and bit into their cookies right away, which—GOTCHA— turned out to be made with salt instead of sugar. All the good kids who waited were then rewarded with a delicious, regular sugar cookie.

    The moral: if you have sex before we tell you its OK (ie, you get married) the sex will be GROSS and BAD like a salty cookie. But if you are patient and wait til marriage, the sex will be delicious and sugary and wonderful.

    Meanwhile at my public high school we were putting condoms on bananas and learning in explicit detail about how to avoid contracting AIDs when having gay anal sex. Thanks, public schools!

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      mbk12bokjoy
      4/04/14 2:27pm

      I know many people choose to wait until marriage for their own personal reasons, and I know it's possible to go on to have healthy fulfilling relationships, but if I waited years and got married, only to have sex as bad as my first time was, I would probably have a crisis of faith and be supremely upset and demand a refund on my life/marriage. The only way I realized that first boyfriend was terrible at sex (and even kissing) was by dumping his sorry ass and discovering better, more fulfilling sex with other people.

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      BurleyQGirlbokjoy
      4/04/14 2:30pm

      I wonder if anyone who teaches these workshops ever realizes that as soon as kids kiss or make out or even get the shivers from their boyfriend brushing their arm with his hand, they will instantly throw out all of this teaching because they either 1) realize that the adults were lying and sexual contact feels good even without marriage or 2) assume that, because THEIR sexual contact feels so good and magical and NOT gross and bad, they must be exceptions who are in love and soulmates and exempt from the "needs marriage to make it not bad and dirty" rule.

      ETA: In pretty much every case of an "I'm waiting for marriage" girl losing her virginity in my high school, it was #2. Then around college when they really started fooling around and realized that their high school true love was in fact not the only guy who could turn them on, it progressed to #1 and the "well we're GOING to get married/it's only because we're in love" excuse was abandoned entirely.

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    KristenfromMAKate Dries
    4/04/14 2:09pm

    Why is only the girl who is left "dirty" after sex?! Don't get me wrong, I think it's a fucked-up analogy to begin with, but I'd be slightly less irritated if they would at least apply it equally.

    Note: the question is rhetorical. I know why it's only the girl.

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      sanctifiedrefreshmentKristenfromMA
      4/04/14 2:17pm

      I don't know, but I'm also not sure how Marie Barnard knows either... the only reference to the patty being representative of a girl is her quote. Perhaps that's the implication they're going for (I put nothing past Mississippi), but I sincerely doubt that it's what they say in class.

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      KristenfromMAsanctifiedrefreshment
      4/04/14 2:20pm

      Oh no, don't doubt it. I've heard the same analogy used with chewing gum, paper cups people have spit in, and with flowers that have had their petals plucked off one-by-one. It's always the girls. These same classes say stuff like "That girl is someone's future wife. Would you want some other guy to do that your future wife?"

      It's fucked up, patriarchy-style.

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    supermandamnedKate Dries
    4/04/14 2:05pm

    I still think a used car is the best analogy.

    Yeah, you're still willing to drive it, especially when you take your options/context into account, but in a vacuum, are you really going to choose it over a brand new car if you had the choice? Especially as long-term option?

    Of course not.

    Analogies, aside, I rather liked the way my school in Canada handled it. They went over all the science, all the contraception, but also pointed out that they only 100% guaranteed way to avoid disease and pregnancy is by not having sex.


    Which is true. But at least they gave the students all the stats and facts, so that we could make the call about the risks we were willing to take and how to best mitigate them.

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      Setzer777supermandamned
      4/04/14 2:08pm

      Yeah, but people are living things. Wouldn't a horse be a better vehicle analogy?

      I know some people are really into it, but I wouldn't want to ride a horse that had never had a human on top of it before.

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      CarlySparklessupermandamned
      4/04/14 2:10pm

      but you have to be so CAREFUL with new cars, they have nary a scratch, and with that, you'll be especially careful, and while it's fun to drive, you really wish you could have a car that's seen some stuff, that you can drive a little bit faster, that you know can handle those bumpy roads with ease, that while there may be a scratch or two, they've lasted this long and clearly can go even longer. New cars need to be babied. Used cars can do so much more.

      used cars are rad.

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    Hannibal the CannibalKate Dries
    4/04/14 2:05pm

    The analogy proceeded to break down when students decided that dirty chocolate is still chocolate, and took it as an endorsement of sex as being as good as chocolate. Orgies ensued.

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      FIGJAMHannibal the Cannibal
      4/04/14 2:08pm

      Their second attempt involved M&Ms but that was worse because it depicted all the colors mixing inappropriately.

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      Ginger Is A ConstructFIGJAM
      4/04/14 2:13pm

      Not to mention that M&Ms are best when you have several in your mouth at a time.

      I'll show myself out....

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    SabelotodoKate Dries
    4/04/14 2:05pm

    demonstrations about how a condom works being disallowed, an emphasis on the failure rate of condoms

    Hmm... Those couldn't possibly be related...

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      FIGJAMKate Dries
      4/04/14 2:04pm

      Yeah, but after that Peppermint Patty passes around the room, I'll bet it melts in your mouth perfectly.

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        Jess, Queen of the RaptorsFIGJAM
        4/04/14 2:27pm

        BAZINGA!

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        Ginger Is A ConstructFIGJAM
        4/04/14 3:42pm

        I wonder why they picked Peppermint Patties. Did the health teacher experiment with a lot of other candies to see which got dirtiest? Or did they know that if they passed around a Twix or a Snickers it wouldn't matter because 1,00,999 people could touch it and everyone would still eat it? I want to know more about the process behind the pedagogy.

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      anyah8sbunniesKate Dries
      4/04/14 2:06pm

      I actually first read about this on Cosmo... not nearly as in-depth or researched, but they're making attempts.

      Of course, the majority of comments from the women in that thread were, Oh, that's great, yeah, good idea... you shouldn't be having sex in high school anyway and of course slut shamey. It's always disheartening to read shitty ass comments like that.

      I don't understand how women are still buying into this uneducated double standard.

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        Seize: it's about ethics in gossip journalismanyah8sbunnies
        4/04/14 2:21pm
        uneducated

        The answer is right there.

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        anyah8sbunniesSeize: it's about ethics in gossip journalism
        4/04/14 2:39pm

        True enough. It's just so pathetic and sad.

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      fortheloveofbeetsKate Dries
      4/04/14 2:10pm

      Wait, I thought I was a wad of used-up chewing gum? I'm SO CONFUSED.

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        JustClickYourHeelsThreeTimesfortheloveofbeets
        4/04/14 2:24pm

        I thought I was an opened pack of cigarettes. How messed up is that?

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        fortheloveofbeetsJustClickYourHeelsThreeTimes
        4/04/14 2:26pm

        Wait, now they're discouraging sex but encouraging smoking, somehow? WORLD, I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU.

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