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EyeHeartPieHamilton Nolan
3/13/14 12:43pm
The wage theft issues (obviously wrong) aside, about this:

Other suits challenge Mcdonald's practice of making working purchase and pay to clean their own uniforms.

How is that not kosher? Any job with a dress code doesn't give you your clothing and pay for you to clean your clothing. Why is it suit-worthy that MacDonalds makes you buy your own clothes and clean them?
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  bball123hEyeHeartPie
  3/13/14 12:47pm
  Because it's probably tough to wear a McDonald's polo at any other employer?
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  lizz23EyeHeartPie
  3/13/14 12:47pm
  It varies in States/countries, but if you're required to wear something specific, your employer is supposed to pay for it, or reimburse you in some way. A l0t of companies have loopholes to get around it though.
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cepalgHamilton Nolan
3/13/14 12:51pm
The existence of wage theft is pretty uncontroversial in places like this- but much like the Blue Line of Silence beloved of our police force it lies at a convergence of being transparently obvious in its working and almost impossible to definitively prove barring massive incompetence by the perpetrator.

Whoops, turns out the manager put down the wrong hours for you for a while, he's honestly very sorry and it won't happen again, in unrelated news you will very shortly be fired. The reasons will be vague, uncontestable, and have nothing to do whatsoever with the fact you just raised a complaint.
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  Smashboozercepalg
  3/13/14 1:20pm
  Pretty much. You took a sick day? Sorry we're only able to schedule you for 15 hours next week, you know the economy and all. Nothing to do with your insolence you dirty peasant.
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  shoeflypiecepalg
  3/13/14 1:22pm
  I'm always happy to hear from campus activists who have never held a job about the way they think the world works. In reality, most big companies are scared so shitless of a lawsuit like this that they are obsessed with making sure every minute of work is properly documented. Most mid-level managers spend a good deal of their day fixing time cards and doing other sorts of labor law compliance like scheduling lunches, including fighting with employees who would rather get paid for the extra half hour but are legally required to take a half-hour lunch in most states. At the average corporation, if someone works off the clock, he, his manager, and any coworkers who knew about it and don't speak up will be fired, the first time, with no warning.
  
  This isn't to say that there aren't companies that flout this law (Wal-Mart being notorious in some areas for it, and I'm not saying this particular McDonalds isn't guilty of what they are accused of). But on the whole, the reality is this is ALREADY illegal, and most companies, regardless of their lack of moral feeling about their employees, don't want to pay fines or have anyone go to prison, so they are paranoid about regulatory compliance.
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FlamingTelepathHamilton Nolan
3/13/14 12:42pm
This new commenting system is really terrible. That is all.
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  Jerry-NetherlandFlamingTelepath
  3/13/14 2:21pm
  You can still use the old layout: http://gawker.com/?tiger=off
  
  You're welcome.
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  MarcabExpatFlamingTelepath
  3/13/14 2:58pm
  Since I can see this one comment, I will agree by replying to it.
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450X_FTWHamilton Nolan
3/13/14 1:12pm
How about people serving overseas in combat? they work way more hours, and when you factor in their pay, are definitely making less than minimum wage.
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  cepalg450X_FTW
  3/13/14 1:26pm
  factor in the benefits and they're kicking the ass of pretty much anyone who doesn't work on wall street
  
  no other job in America includes all food, housing, transportation, and health care as freebies. minimum wage isn't much, but it goes a hell of a lot farther when all it has to cover is your entertainment budget.
  
  why do you think car dealerships near military bases do such ridiculously good business?
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  450X_FTWcepalg
  3/13/14 1:34pm
  You're joking right?
  http://www.activistpost.com/2014/02/us-sol…
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Strider2Hamilton Nolan
3/13/14 12:41pm
Noooooo.

The "new" kinja experience is here. WTF do you guys keep changing it when we just developed Stockholm syndrome for the last system?
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  DuchessODorkStrider2
  3/13/14 12:43pm
  Stop making me learn things!!
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  fstop4Strider2
  3/13/14 12:50pm
  You too can still use the old kinja!
  
  http://gawker.com/?tiger=off
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CleverUsernameHamilton Nolan
3/13/14 12:56pm
Where's the inevitable troll post about how these people should just "work harder" and that "these jobs aren't supposed to be comfortable"? I'm both saddened by corporate sycophants and usually happy to see them get smacked down.

Let's get this over-with.
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  SparkPlug128CleverUsername
  3/13/14 1:01pm
  They're down there, the ones about how they should have gone to college are the funniest.
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  ThePriceisWrongCleverUsername
  3/13/14 1:09pm
  I understand the lawsuit and support it. I think the only thing I can't understand is the washing of the uniforms part. If McDonald's sends them out with a say, Cintas, to get cleaned, then yeah, that's pretty messed up to make them pay to get their own uniforms washed. But I'm curious to know if it's because they have to wash their own uniforms at home.
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macaaronHamilton Nolan
3/13/14 12:59pm
It's 2014 and most of the boring, repetitive, low-skill jobs have been replaced by automated robots. Why is McDonald's still even employing anyone? I'm pretty sure a robot can microwave a machine-made burger, put it on a bun, squirt on some ketchup and shove it in a box.
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  Obliteratimacaaron
  3/13/14 1:10pm
  Actually, manipulating irregularly sized and floppy organic materials is a difficult job for a robot to accomplish.
  
  The only way for McDonalds to fully automate their staff would be to streamline their menu, and make their food look, well, less like food. Think cubical hamburgers.
  
  Humans are cheaper than robots, for now.
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  eldiablonegromacaaron
  3/13/14 1:16pm
  
  GIF
  
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CleverUsernameHamilton Nolan
3/13/14 12:44pm
Kinja bites back.

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  fstop4CleverUsername
  3/13/14 12:56pm
  So use the old kinja ;)
  
  http://gawker.com/?tiger=off
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  CleverUsernamefstop4
  3/13/14 1:01pm
  You missed the point; Kinja finally backfired on a Gawker writer.
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WallyW0rldHamilton Nolan
3/13/14 12:47pm
I just feel bad for these people because someone is clearly holding a gun to their head making them work at McDonalds. They need to go after THAT guy!
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  ᘻalcriaᖱaWallyW0rld
  3/13/14 3:31pm
  Oh geez, you again? Do you spend your time refreshing Gawker hoping a min wage article pops up so you can post the same shit over and over again?
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  WallyW0rldᘻalcriaᖱa
  3/13/14 3:32pm
  Good point! I liked your take, you have a clear understanding of what you are talking about.
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CapitalistWarMachineHamilton Nolan
3/13/14 12:43pm
"The workers, who are affiliated with ongoing union-led"

-The point where conservatives stop reading.
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  DolemiteCapitalistWarMachine
  3/13/14 1:13pm
  My thought on unions: corporate america has their legions of law firms, lobbyists and politicians working hard on their part to keep wages down, and benefits nil. So I think it's only fair workers have someone representing them.
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