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    sweetvalleyCallie Beusman
    3/07/14 9:23am

    Wow - Lily Allen is a horrendous gender traitor and terrible person and should be killed immediately. Just. . . . everything she said. . . I could write an entire essay. But I'll just pick one quote:

    "I'm not an archetypal woman. All my friends are boys."

    Women who say this are the WORST. Nothing wrong with hanging out with guys, they are fine/great, but if you have zero female friends you need to check yourself. (And your guys friends like you because you're pretty - FYI, Lily Allen.)

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      TremulousCadenceSlowsweetvalley
      3/07/14 9:33am

      Yeah, I was the "all my friends are boys" girl when I was in high school. Then I realized most of those guy friends were hanging around hoping we'd hook up. I got honest with myself and admitted I loved the attention, but that it wasn't the healthiest way to conduct friend relationships. Not saying a woman and a man can't have a genuine friendship, but if ALL your friends are men, you're probably riding high on the endorphin rush of being the lone female surrounded by guys who want to bang you.

      These days, I wouldn't want to live in a world without my girlfriends.

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      willsomeonethinkofthechitlinssweetvalley
      3/07/14 9:35am

      All of the women that say that are without question the meanest, bitchiest, cattiest and shittiest of all. They are the backstabbers, the gossips, the ones that sleep with your boyfriend behind your back and the ones that generally give women a bad name.

      I back the fuck up from women who claim "all my friends are boys and I just don't hang out with girls." Fuck you. I know a girl who is like a female dudebro down to the way she dresses and she's awesome to be around, despite not being a girly girl in the slightest. She has a shitload of female friends, including me, who is almost her polar opposite.

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    xvcxCallie Beusman
    3/07/14 9:14am

    What's the man version of feminism?

    it's called 'society.'

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      birdnerdisthewerdxvcx
      3/07/14 9:19am

      patriarchy?

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      rawunyunxvcx
      3/07/14 9:23am

      Right? I've never listened to Lily Allen, but man... she's dumb. For some reason it bothers me that famous and wealthy folks can't be arsed to think critically.

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    CalKerstenCallie Beusman
    3/07/14 9:23am

    It's funny cuz by pointing out how Lily ALlen is being mean to women, by pointing out how mean they are, it's kinda proving her point...
    The endless cycle continues.

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      Callie BeusmanCalKersten
      3/07/14 9:25am

      I don't think criticizing someone for perpetuating systemic sexism is the same thing as being mean

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      homomanCalKersten
      3/07/14 9:31am

      Calling someone out on their intolerance is not intolerant. That's calling an ace an ace and a spade a spade. Don't use that canard that is being used by haters who get called on hating.

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    LuckyMc44Callie Beusman
    3/07/14 9:25am

    Ok, Lily Allen's song "It's Hard Out Here" actually includes the line "We've never had it so good, we're out of the woods, and if you can't detect the sarcasm you've misunderstood.", which would insinuate that she's well aware we're still fighting the good fight. Her thoughts on the matter are apparently not well organized.

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      princess tutuLuckyMc44
      3/07/14 9:49am

      Yeah, I'm so confused by that, because that is a song I would call a feminist song. Same with her song "22." Wth, Lilly?

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      mannequinLuckyMc44
      3/07/14 10:22am

      This is why this article is utterly confusing. I thought Lily Allen was a feminist, obviously not writing philosophical feminist manifestos all day long, but still a celebrity who didn't put up with the bullshit in the entertainment industry. Its like she totally switched her ideology.

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    DevonnaCallie Beusman
    3/07/14 9:17am

    At first, reading the Jennifer Aniston item, I was all, "That's preposterous!" Then I realized that my doggy needs to live forever too.

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      PuntabulousDevonna
      3/07/14 9:28am

      My rescue kitty is immortal. #denial

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      TheNerdyMelDevonna
      3/07/14 9:32am

      My instant reaction was all, "That's kind of silly." But it's really sweet that she cares more about her dogs than wrinkles that may or may not exist.

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    Macabre CadabraCallie Beusman
    3/07/14 9:35am

    I don't think I understand that Lily Allen quote. She references how guys tell her what they prefer, but then talks about competition, which I took to mean her critiquing herself, as well, for feeling competitive with the thinner woman, but then says that men aren't the enemy. I just...I feel like I'm reading a word salad that is neither good nor bad, just a mishmash of things that don't go together just right.

    On that front, she does have some quotes I think Jezebel could get on board with that were omitted in favor of slicing it down to "feminism is a bad word lol". For example, this whole paragraph came before it:

    It’s about how girls are pitted against each other, unlike men. I know you had it in the Nineties with Blur versus Oasis, but it’s not the same thing. It’s like ‘Who looks the best?’, ‘You’re getting too old to do this, you shouldn’t be doing that’. There seems to be a moral undertone when women are concerned that doesn’t happen with men, and that’s what that song is about. Stop this now.

    So...I guess, tl;dr — I have no idea what Lily Allen actually thinks on the subject, but there are some signs of hope in the bleak landscape of her public image? I wish she could shut the fuck up long enough to crystallize it all into something more coherent.

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      YetAnotherBurnerNameMacabre Cadabra
      3/07/14 9:42am

      I love Lily Allen. I've never seen such a weird comment come from her. Her music and persona slant rather feminist to me, but this shit is not. I'm willing to chalk it up to a bad day.

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      KatieInAtlantaMacabre Cadabra
      3/07/14 10:04am

      Agreed.

      I instinctively think, "Oh she's really skinny and beautiful and I'm really fat and ugly."

      This comment seems to imply that women need to stop having these hurtful thoughts about themselves. I understand that she's simultaneously saying that "oh, men find this woman disgusting" and that's not a great comment, but I think her underlying point is that women are way to hard of themselves.

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    stroderealtyCallie Beusman
    3/07/14 9:18am

    Yes, Lily- all men EVERYWHERE are into meatier women. Not a single man ever has been into thin women. Or heavy women. Or those with athletic builds.

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      beenstroderealty
      3/07/14 9:23am

      Also, basing a society on what constitutes boner bait has yet to work out well.

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      ameliebonfantstroderealty
      3/07/14 9:45am

      And why do we have to base ourselves on what MEN want????

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    Gonzo the SomethingCallie Beusman
    3/07/14 9:50am

    Somali-*Canadian* rapper K'Naan.

    PLEASE LET US HAVE THIS. WE CAN'T BE KNOWN FOR JUST SNOW AND DRAKE.

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      spotofluffGonzo the Something
      3/07/14 10:29am

      And Justin Bieber.

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      Gonzo the Somethingspotofluff
      3/07/14 10:34am

      I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with that name.

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    willsomeonethinkofthechitlinsCallie Beusman
    3/07/14 9:24am

    Lily Allen is a fucking spoiled, marginally talented, upper class mean girl. She's insecure about her looks and talks a whole lot of shit about women that are prettier than she it. She also did that whole "bladdy blah, from da streets blud" mockney bullshit when she's the daughter of a super famous producer and her dad's a well known actor/comedian in the UK. I believe she attended a school that's posher than Kate Middleton's.

    People gave this moron attention because she did "black" music as a cheeky little white girl from London. She was I guess the antidote to the perfect pop princesses around at the time. Lily, shut the fuck up. You're not big and you're not clever. Wish she and Kelly Osbourne would disappear up their own asses forever.

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      House Milkshaker of Daftbollockswillsomeonethinkofthechitlins
      3/07/14 10:41am
      GIF

      She is such a Ladbroke Grove Princess. And yes - the same school as Minnie Driver, who doesn't play down her poshness at all.

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      willsomeonethinkofthechitlinsHouse Milkshaker of Daftbollocks
      3/07/14 10:58am

      I roomed with a family that stayed in Westbourne Park and my friend's uncle lived in Ladbroke Grove. I know the type. I work with a girl that went to Wellingbrough. She's lovely and doesn't play down her poshness at all. Neither does one of my best friends— the one who's wearing some serious family heirloom jewelery when she gets married.

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    benjaminalloverCallie Beusman
    3/07/14 9:15am

    Lilly Allen shut the fuck up.

    -Reasonable People who've graduated middle school.

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      Snacky_Onassisbenjaminallover
      3/07/14 9:22am

      I'd love to hear her insights on racism as well...

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      benjaminalloverSnacky_Onassis
      3/07/14 9:40am

      "We're all equal, everyone is equal so why is there even a conversation about race? What is the white people's version of intersectional oppression? There isn't a word for it. There's no reason for it. Whiteism. Pale-ism. It doesn't exist."

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