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stacyinbeanHillary Crosley Coker
2/27/14 10:39am
"as they rushed toward a Catholic cardinal, pelting him with lace panties."

Pics or it didn't happen!
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  xhr1sstacyinbean
  2/27/14 10:44am
  I want video of "elderly churchgoes [using] their handbags to swat at topless protesters"
  
  I would watch the shit outta that.
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  highfalutinwithbakuninxhr1s
  2/27/14 11:22am
  NOW YOU CAN! http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/video…
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mc.lornaHillary Crosley Coker
2/27/14 10:46am
it's easy to say that women who want abortions could just go to france or the UK for the procedure, but that completely ignores the crippling levels of unemployment and poverty that exist in the country right now. aside from the moral implications of removing a woman's right to choose, it's also going to ensure there are more babies that people cannot afford to raise and the government will not help to support.

pedantic note - it's popular party, not populist. the NPR quote gets it right a couple of sentences later.
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  highfalutinwithbakuninmc.lorna
  2/27/14 11:35am
  That's the point of a lot of the protests here (I've been living in Madrid for the past 3+ years). When Franco was around, only the rich could afford to send their daughters/wives to London to get abortions- the poor had to either carry the pregnancy to term, or risk extremely unsafe back-alley abortions. So everyone's pissed off because it's like living with a fascist dictator all over again!!
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  doctorskantshighfalutinwithbakunin
  2/27/14 11:46am
  exactly what I was coming to point out. who goes abroad to get abortions are always the people who can afford it. most of the times, the people who can afford it, can also afford better family planning, whereas who, for one reason or another doesn't, will have to resolve to illegal and dangerous procedures.
  seriously, it's like the popular party never heard of all those studies and stats claiming that a country begins to thrive the moment its female population is given proper education and access to proper family planning tools. and for as much as they'd like to deny it, abortion will always be a part of that!
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cabooseyHillary Crosley Coker
2/27/14 10:26am
the most amazing thing is that according to polls, 80% of spaniards favor free access to abortion. insane. I hope they burn down all the cathedrals ( except Sagrada Familia)
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  Harhercaboosey
  2/27/14 10:57am
  Yes, let's burn all our architecture, that's probably the best solution. Sigh.
  
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  cabooseyHarher
  2/27/14 11:12am
  ah yes. that sense of humor jezebel is famous for.
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msronswansonHillary Crosley Coker
2/27/14 10:23am

a dozen topless women chanted, "Abortion is sacred!" as they rushed toward a Catholic cardinal, pelting him with lace panties. Priests closed in on the cardinal, and elderly churchgoers used their handbags to swat at the topless protesters.

This could be one of the best sentences ever written.
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Bears for PresidentHillary Crosley Coker
2/27/14 10:56am
Let's just keep this around for the next time we get a "The new pope said something marginally less insulting about gay people! HOORAY!" story.
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cousinmaebeHillary Crosley Coker
2/27/14 10:40am
I find abortion politics fascinating. I think this is the start of a trend we're going to see in countries with declining and rapidly aging populations — when the population of a country needs to be curbed, abortion is a human right. When the population of a country is declining, abortion becomes immoral. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I don't think the government of Spain is doing this out of professed care for the unborn.
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  Vulcan Has No Mooncousinmaebe
  2/27/14 10:25pm
  Declining population + hatred of immigrants = The [insert ethnic slur] are out-breeding the [privileged majority]. Soon we'll be minorities in our own country. So, yeah.
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Marylee111Hillary Crosley Coker
2/28/14 7:59am
Polls even show that 80 percent of locals don’t even want an abortion ban, reports NPR. [] Tightening Spain's abortion rules was one of the Popular Party's campaign promises during the 2011 general elections, which the party won by a wide margin.

Reminds me of pre-2012 USA election discussions.

Commenter: I support reproductive rights but I'm voting for Romney.

Me: You do realize that Romney will ban or at least severely restrict access to abortion, right?

Commenter: That will never happen.

Me: He outright said he would. Repeatedly. He has made it one of his party's main selling points. It's one of the promises he is building his whole campaign on. Republicans are literally putting up "OBAMA IS PRO-ABORTION, VOTE ROMNEY TO SAVE THE BABIES, ROMNEY WILL STOP ABORTION" giant billboards.

Commenter: That's just for show, he won't really do any of that. I can vote for Romney and rest assured that all his many claims that he will ban abortion can safely be ignored as publicity stunts.

Me: So you are voting for a politician because you believe that half the stuff he is promising, conveniently the stuff you are against, is a lie?

Commenter: It's totally safe.
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jenesaiswhaHillary Crosley Coker
2/27/14 11:24am
Hey there. Thanks for covering this. I'm half Spanish and grew up there. This draft law is a reflection of the grip extreme segments of the Catholic Church have on the current government. It’s completely unreasonable and does not reflect where the country is (and has been for some time) politically and socially.

If I read the draft bill correctly, one crazy thing is that minors will not only have to deal with the shorter time limitations and fall into one of the 2 exceptions (rape, grave health risk to the mother) where an abortion is allowed, but they will have to

· go through a judicial process that they must initiate a couple of weeks prior to the end of the term limits (so a 17 year old girl would have to know that she’s pregnant around 4 weeks into her pregnancy to have enough time to quickly prepare the paperwork);

· present all the testimony, authorizations and medical documents required; and

· patiently wait for a judge to tell her whether she can interrupt the pregnancy or not.

As a little sidebar, an example of the government’s relationship with the extreme religious right and how it could be a problem:
- The current Minister of the Interior in Spain is Jorge Fernández Díaz is a“supernumerario” member of Opus Dei. Supernumerarios can marry and have children, while numerarios, the order’s version of monks, take a celibacy vow. Both have to contribute financially to the order.
- There’s been an ongoing debate for decades on whether or not the Opus Dei is a cult, mainly due to aggressive recruitment practices (particularly with adolescents), the reported difficulties in leaving the order, and its practice of corporal mortification. Source of the last one is the Opus Dei website.
- Fernández Díaz is against many things, notably the right to choose, gay marriage, and the right of same-sex couples to adopt children.
- First among the duties listed in the “royal decree” that regulates the position of the Minister of the Interior is “preparing and executing the Government’s policies relate to … promoting the conditions for the exercise of fundamental rights…”.
Everyone is free to believe what they want, but it’s easy to see where there could be a problem. Fernández Díaz is in charge of preparing and implementing policies to guarantee the unimpeded exercise of fundamental rights and personal freedoms. He happens to not agree with the rest of Spain on what those are. Less than 1/3 of the Popular Party’s own voters support the draft bill over the current law; around 60% of Spain supports same-sex couples marrying and adopting children. Everyone is worried that if they push this through, coming up next will be the repeal of gay marriage.

This is not an isolated incident and is part of a world-wide shift to the right in terms of reproductive rights. It’s launched a wave of solidarity protests around Europe and Latin America. Several of us went and protested it a couple of weeks ago in front of the Spanish consulate in New York (covered by Newsweek). There’ll be more.
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  startingoverandoverjenesaiswha
  2/27/14 12:36pm
  I'm gonna copy and paste this from what I said to someone else
  
  This reminds me of a recent conversation I had with a very dumb, very Catholic guy. Loves the church. Loves to go to meetings, monasteries all that kind of shit. Was dumbfounded and felt insulted when I didn't think the Catholic church was the bees knees and kept talking how it was always 'unfairly attacked'
  
  When asked what my problem was I mentioned women's reproductive rights or their lack. He didn't understand my point. He asked me with a straight face 'But what in the world to women's rights have to do with reproductive rights?'
  
  Yep. I still don't know how to deal with that otherwise nice young guy I see once a week.
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Mrs. BeetonHillary Crosley Coker
2/27/14 11:33am

Franco's still dead, right?
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  mc.lornaMrs. Beeton
  2/27/14 12:01pm
  but his evil fucking spirit lives on.
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dwaynemcgintysdrunkfactcheckerHillary Crosley Coker
2/27/14 10:32am
Spanish leaders may want to consider the fate of Ceaușescu in Romania...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decre%C8%…
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  whatamigonnadowithagunrackdwaynemcgintysdrunkfactchecker
  2/27/14 10:55am
  
  Young Ceaucescu was something, though.
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  dwaynemcgintysdrunkfactcheckerwhatamigonnadowithagunrack
  2/27/14 11:02am
  Yes, something of a fucking psycho.
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