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e.nonTaylor Berman
11/18/13 8:58am
iowa native here — (father actually lost his home in a tornado ten years ago) and i do not recall this level of destruction of those that happened back in the day where entire communities are actually flattened and utterly destroyed. or the width of these that do hit the ground; or the duration on the ground. but, yet, you see snarky — 'oh, like there weren't tornadoes before' bullshit. the intensity of these has increased considerably; just wait for one to hit a major metropolitan area. chicago came close this time...
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  rapandcountrye.non
  11/18/13 9:23am
  The northern Midwest very, very rarely gets natural disasters, and I think the people commenting know jack shit about the climate here. This was very late in season and out of normal tornado boundaries.
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  MDMYAAAYe.non
  11/18/13 9:26am
  I don't recall this amount, and ferocity of climate change deniers in online forums. Do Fox News employees target this thread? Or some cute little branch of the Koch brothers multi-million-dollar funding for propaganda efforts? This inquiring mind wants ta know!
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ARP2Taylor Berman
11/18/13 9:07am
I hope they don't ask for FEMA's help, lest they become "takers."
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  RazzleDazzle12ARP2
  11/18/13 9:13am
  If any of those states have repuke governor's, they will declare a state of emergency to get some sweet, sweet Fed money. Of course THEY deserve it, unlike others.
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  rapandcountryARP2
  11/18/13 9:26am
  Illinois, the state being discussed in this post, is fairly blue. Our GDP is just around $609b, which puts us in sixth place overall in the country. Our governor is strongly blue, our state government is blue, and even our major city hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1931.
  
  We deserve every bit of FEMA money thrown our way for this disaster, but thanks for your sympathy.
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Jeremy H formerly KalakaboooomTaylor Berman
11/18/13 8:50am
I'm being serious here, what is the correlation between global warming and tornadoes? I ask because I do not know how a tornado is formed, would someone be able to explain it to me?
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  ARP2Jeremy H formerly Kalakaboooom
  11/18/13 9:05am
  Tornadoes need warm moist air and cool dry air with wind-shear (strong wind blowing at a particular angle). As global temperatures rise, you have more moisture in the air, which increases the potential for more tornadoes. Scientists originally thought that increase in global temperatures would reduce wind shear since temperature differential is what originally causes it. However, the models show that the additional moisture more that offsets the reduced wind-shear. The fact that we've had a major set of tornadoes in mid-November (well after prime tornado season) is also telling.
  
  But remember that we have better technology and more people, so there will be increased tornado sightings.
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  ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ : Riot GRRR is RUNNING WILDJeremy H formerly Kalakaboooom
  11/18/13 9:05am
  That's something scientists really aren't sure of at this point. The projected increase in the number and strength of hurricanes in the coming years is because they depend on the oceans for their warm (and moist) air, which they will get more of as the oceans warm up. But tornadoes form from colliding cold and warm air fronts, so a general increase in the overall air temperature doesn't necessarily translate into more numerous and powerful tornadoes, because the temperature differential is what fuels them.
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MDMYAAAYTaylor Berman
11/18/13 8:41am
Click your heels three times and say, "There's no such thing as global warming, there's no such thing as global warming, there's no such thing as global warming..."
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dwarf74Taylor Berman
11/18/13 9:21am
I'm about 30 miles away from this, and while we had some crazy 75mph winds, big hail, and some siding/roof damage in the neighborhood, my town weathered it just fine.

As to how low the death toll is, every bit of local media was telling people to get into their basements for at least half an hour before the tornadoes hit. I'm glad people listened. We had a lot of warning, and Central Illinoisans know to take tornado threats seriously.
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  flatbushfashionistadwarf74
  11/18/13 11:13am
  Glad you're ok.
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KumquatRodeoTaylor Berman
11/18/13 9:02am
The death toll, while terrible, seems thankfully low given the level of distruction (at least compared to other outbreaks). I wonder if its due in large part to the prevalence of basements in the area. Even so, I think a lot of people will be traumatized for years to come (based upon my Alabama tornado experience anyway).
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  sandrabullcockKumquatRodeo
  11/18/13 9:12am
  It's basements and warning systems. We had about 15 minutes warning before the storms hit, which was plenty of time for people to get to safe places—and most houses in central Illinois have basements (unlike some other tornado-prone areas). Still, it's pretty amazing that so many people walked away from this kind of destruction.
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  sandrabullcockKumquatRodeo
  11/18/13 1:58pm
  The problem I see here are apartment complexes that have no basements or shelter areas. Hundreds of people—in my town, often college students—live in flimsy, three story, wood frame complexes that are build on concrete slabs without basements or crawl spaces and without any reinforced buildings in their vicinity. These people are sitting ducks for tornadoes. And I don't see any changes coming soon in building codes that would mandate shelters.
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thevoidlesscreatureTaylor Berman
11/18/13 8:48am
A friend of mine lives in Washington. She and her family hunkered down in the basement, and when they emerged they discovered they lost their house and both of their cars. The house wasn't completely flattened like the picture above, but the garage is collapsed, most of the roof is missing, all of the windows are gone etc. They are thankful they are all OK but it's been traumatizing and it's going to take a lot of time to recover.
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LupitaCTaylor Berman
11/18/13 1:49pm

Here is a picture of the one that tore through Lafayette, In.
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  OortCloudLupitaC
  11/19/13 12:16am
  Indiana has some beautiful architecture.
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meowmixteTaylor Berman
11/18/13 8:34am
Thanks, Obamacare.
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  SimulatedSnowmanmeowmixte
  11/18/13 9:12am
  I was gonna say that gay marriage is to blame, but given where Obama is from (Kenya), I think we can blame him and Africa as well.
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kingdom2000Taylor Berman
11/18/13 7:55pm
Since Fox News and co. can point to snow and go "see proof that Climate Change doesn't exist!" shouldn't we be able to look at some of the strangest and worse weather in human history and go "see proof that Climate Change does exist!"

Naw...thats crazy talk cause (say it with me), "It's OK if A Republican Does It"

Also for others, start saying "Climate Change". Anytime you say "Global Warming" you are leaning into the Fox News/Conservative machine because they just fixate on the "warming" part (hence their weak sauce yearly "snow" examples) rather than the whole "change" part that is really the critical part of the whole discussion. Also I think they made up the "Global Warming" phrase as a counter, much like they did with Obamacare, Death Tax and so forth were they coin news words to create tangent, unrelated discussions. No point in helping their propaganda, even unintentionally.
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