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Freddie DeBoerLacey Donohue
10/09/13 7:57pm
I'm conflicted between the fact that this is clearly an awful, destructive drug and the fact that media reports of the damage of drugs are always, always, always overblown and eventually disputed by research. Essentially without exception.
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  icewaterFreddie DeBoer
  10/09/13 8:01pm
  can you provide an example of one, or even more than one report of Krokodil in a large media outlet which was later found incorrect? I can't find any.
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  cheerful_exgirlfriendFreddie DeBoer
  10/09/13 8:02pm
  I dunno have you seen the pictures? And some commenters seemed to be fairly well informed about it from it's popularity in Russia, they seemed to verify that it's just plain awful.
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PennoyerVNeffLacey Donohue
10/09/13 7:59pm
I know you guys dont like Vice, but the show they had on this shit is terrifying.
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  Lacey DonohuePennoyerVNeff
  10/09/13 8:01pm
  The documentary is linked in the first post from two weeks ago. I'll post it again here with all the usual warnings about DO NOT WATCH IT IF YOU WANT TO SLEEP.
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  KinglyCitrusPennoyerVNeff
  10/09/13 8:04pm
  Hamilton Nolan does not like Vice. Hamilton Nolan does not like a lot of things.
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ragepandaLacey Donohue
10/09/13 8:20pm
Okay, I was going to do a story about "Krokodil" too, and wanted to use these exact same images. But the interesting thing is, if you go to the comments of this YouTube video Hamilton is sourcing this from ... there's someone who claims they know Russian, and the story is actually about a dude who got attacked by an axe! So I decided not to use them. Does anyone here know Russian? Can they watch the clip and confirm or deny this is actually a "Krokodil" victim??
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  Lacey Donohueragepanda
  10/09/13 8:24pm
  I'm genuinely honored to be mistaken for HamNo, but this video is used so often by so many outlets, I went for it because there have been no news reports on Chicago news stations for me to screengrab. I will totally change it if it's the case. Don't want to add to the problem. I'll find something else...
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  DobrySoldatragepanda
  10/09/13 8:52pm
  My Russian is incredibly rusty these days, and I only watched once but things I can confirm: no mention of Krokodil or drugs, and it was about a fight.
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ArdenLacey Donohue
10/09/13 8:36pm
I'm conflicted on this, honestly.

On the one hand you have a massive group of people who are all about legalizing drugs and having the right to put in their body whatever an adult wants to put in it. But then you have the same people saying that Krokodil is evil and should be cleaned off the streets.

Look...I don't know if you can have it both ways, honestly. You either think adults should be allowed to consume whatever drug they want and take responsibility for the results, or you think drugs should be banned and that personal agency over ones body is to be regulated by law. If an adult chooses to partake in Krokodil, then there is clearly a market for it. If there is a market for it, then should people not be allowed to do this to their own bodies?

It's rather hypocritical of people to say that this should be removed from the street when there's clearly a market for it and you also believe that an adult can take whatever drug they want.
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  pmarbleArden
  10/09/13 8:51pm
  Actually, no. Legalizing drugs doesn't mean anything goes. There are ways to regulate drugs that are inherently dangerous in ways that would bar crazy adulterants that can cause immediate harm like this.
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  VirilityUntoTheeArden
  10/09/13 8:55pm
  People should be allowed to blow their brains out if they want to. That doesn't mean we can't find ways to help them out of that situation but when you're pouring billions of dollars into a system whose main goal is to arrest and incarcerate, we have no money left over to help in prevention and rehabilitation.
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filmgirlLacey Donohue
10/09/13 8:08pm
Why do people have to try drugs that are new, why can't they just stick to the "oldie but goodie" ones. Whoever is creating this drug and selling deserves permanent jail time.
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  Deebafilmgirl
  10/09/13 8:58pm
  Usually because they can't afford any of the drug they're currently addicted to. They want some high, any high, so they buy whatever similar drug they can afford or find. Even when it makes their skin rot off. Addiction is not a rational thing.
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  filmgirlDeeba
  10/09/13 9:05pm
  It's so gross and sad, I know I was thinking from a rational point of view.
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leeshuhLacey Donohue
10/09/13 8:14pm
"While one of the patients knew she was taking the drug, the other two—frighteningly—did not. "

Is there more information telling how the drug was ingested if they did not know they were taking it? That's terrifying!
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  Lacey Donohueleeshuh
  10/09/13 8:16pm
  I'm assuming they were just told it was heroin and injected it.
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raincoasterLacey Donohue
10/09/13 11:29pm
I was discussing this on Facebook with some people in Vancouver and here heroin is about $10 a hit, and of course a hit lasts you for hours. Since you can get codeine over the counter I imagine that krokodil would be cheaper than $8 a hit, but it would have to be in the $1-$2 range to make any kind of serious impact, particularly since the high doesn't last. It would actually be more expensive than heroin even over the course of a single day.
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  farylraincoaster
  10/10/13 5:03am
  You lucky Canadians with your 2-2-2s.
  
  I miss Seattle. Now if I want something stronger than Advil over the counter, I'd have to get it from TJ (dos dos dos?).
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  raincoasterfaryl
  10/10/13 6:30pm
  Protip: if you want to up the ante on your painkiller without interrupting TJ while he's watching the soccer game on his iPhone, take your meds with a shot of espresso with sugar. For some reason this increases the apparent strength of the meds by up to 30%. A little tidbit I picked up from my time as a newsletter editor at Starbucks.
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whatbutwhyLacey Donohue
10/09/13 8:39pm

This is all the D.A.R.E. I need, thanks.
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  CapitalistWarMachinewhatbutwhy
  10/09/13 9:04pm
  My job requires me to look at corpses of people who died violently. And that gives me the shudders.
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  flatbushfashionistawhatbutwhy
  10/09/13 9:09pm
  That's fake, right? Please say its fake. Pretty please?
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Michael ZaiteLacey Donohue
10/09/13 9:05pm
Am I the only one who thinks this sounds like a rather clever "War on Drugs" kind of thing? I mean How convenient that there's a drug that with normal use Does something this nasty to people?

Perhaps I'm just too jaded since I grew up during some of the nastiest underhanded drug related crap done by the DEA and CIA in the name of defending us from communism.
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  GemmabetaMichael Zaite
  10/09/13 10:15pm
  Never underestimate the stupidity and the desperation of junkies who hit rock bottom.
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  Michael ZaiteGemmabeta
  10/09/13 10:25pm
  Not sure if you mean the drug users, or the DEA and CIA always jonesing for another social engineering high.
  
  Of course Druggies are going to take cheap drugs with little regard for their well-being. That's what would make it so easy.
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HellephantLacey Donohue
10/09/13 8:10pm
How much anguish must one feel to knowingly inject this shit into a vein for relief. And can you imagine coming down off it, feeling worse than before and waiting for your flesh to fall off? So awful. Poor women.
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  DeltrusHellephant
  10/09/13 8:19pm
  Except TWO of them did NOT know they were taking it! Did you even read the article?
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  HellephantDeltrus
  10/09/13 8:23pm
  YES I did. ONE of them did KNOW. Why ARE you ANGRY?
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